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Why defeat is good

It’s becoming difficult to figure out which is more depressing...


U.S. soldiers from Alpha Company in Baquba. About 840 civilians were killed in Iraq in September, less than half the toll of the previous month, according to figures compiled by three Iraqi ministries.
CREDIT: ALEXANDER NEMENOV/AFP/Getty Images

By Eric Von Haessler

It’s becoming difficult to figure out which is more depressing—the war at home or the war in Iraq. The president has given up on selling the war to the American people. Having lost present public opinion, he’s opted to do whatever he thinks is best in the here and now and leave it to history to decide whether he is ultimately right or wrong.

Meanwhile, the Democrats have determined the war has already been lost and that there is no such thing as a winning strategy at this point. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid now refers to this as “Bush’s war” or the “Republicans’ war”—as if it’s more important to assess blame than prosecute a good outcome. Listen closely and you’ll hear the intelligentsia saying that it is completely impossible to win this thing. Once that position has been adopted, it is not possible to refute. Anyone who says they have a plan for victory is dismissed as being a boob for even considering the concept of victory to begin with.

The mainstream press is heavily invested in failure, and highlights every negative development with glee. Meanwhile, hard core-leftists are becoming convinced the Democrats are mere administration dupes because they haven’t brought the war to a complete end yet.

So the circular debate continues, with both sides more invested in proving they’re right than in actually securing the future of the country. Yours truly is no glassy-eyed optimist seeing nothing but good in the Iraq situation. The whole thing was allowed to creep into anarchy under Rumsfeld’s watch. But it would be nice if the concept of victory could make a bit of a comeback on the national stage. John McCain is talking about it, but—or maybe the right word is “so”—no one seems to like him anymore.

It would be nice to hear a little less political posturing and a little more common sense. It is possible to accept the trials and tribulations of the current situation in Iraq and also understand that there is no such thing as withdrawal or redeployment or any of the other terms of art being bandied about. There is only victory or defeat.

To leave Iraq is to be defeated—plain and simple. It would be refreshing to witness an honest debate in which Barack and Hillary explain to the American people why being defeated in Iraq is a good thing for the future of this country. Maybe it is. Maybe there’s a good case to be made that defeat is good. But that’s the only honest case that can be made for setting timetables to leave Baghdad.

Enough of the phony-baloney “withdrawal with dignity” talk. There are only two real options in Iraq: victory or defeat. It’s high time the war critics be forced to stop wasting valuable ink and broadcast space with talk of “redeployment.” Tell us why defeat is a good thing. Tell us why defeat will make us stronger. Be honest and tell us why you think losing is a winning strategy. SP

More of Eric Von Haessler’s musings can be found at newsjog.blogspot.com.

It may be justified to ask leftist war critics why defeat in Iraq is a good thing (although let us not forget that we would not even be facing this issue if Bush and his cohorts had not taken us into an unnecessary and undeclared war in the first place).
On the other hand, you and the other war-rightists (I put it this way because I know that your orientation on the war is not ipso facto your orientation on other things) have to answer the more pressing and more unanswerable question of why victory is a good thing.

Bob Zaslavsky, fellow columnist
Sunday, October 07, 2007 at 11:05 AM



I was glad to see your statement :
"The president has given up on selling the war to the American people." show up early in your column. It nicely highlights the frame of mind that brought us to the state of affairs which you so badly represent in the rest.
For it was the selling of an unnecessary war, linking very deliberately a tragic event and the wish to prevent more, that now allows you to pose the false choice "victory or defeat". For we did not need then nor do we need now - "victory".
Words are important. Ask any salesman.
Why else would Iraq be deigned a battle in the "Global War Against Islamofascist dietary Habits", or some such marketing term. We did not need in 2003 nor do we need now to have an occupational force in Iraq any more than we needed to invade or occupy Michagan , Oregon and Arizona while looking for The White terror group(s) with which Tim McVie formatted his beliefs.
You begin well. You don't end quite so well:
" It would be nice to hear a little less political posturing and a little more common sense. "
The posturing belongs to you,acting as if Iraq is a simple yes or no. The common sense you do not hear is the sense of the majority of Americans. Saying there that there is no purpose to/for the continuing deaths, is not defeat.Just buyers regret, for falling for the sales pitch.
This war is not is a heavily armored version of
Glengarry Glen Ross .

tim shea
Tuesday, October 09, 2007 at 11:13 AM


oops, I meant columnist.

do you gadflies really think "victory" or "defeat" can be equated with good news bad news? this war is not about victory or defeat. it is about money (as have been most wars since WWII).

the media (left and right) are de facto "bookies". they don't care who wins. they simply set the "line" in order to attract as much "action" as they can (from both sides).

had George Bush and his band of overzealous crusaders taken the time to "sell" the American public on the war with candor and logic ("...OK, it is about oil, but trust me, we need to do this..."), instead of the pathetic shell game (...9/11, WMD's, fight them ther so we don't have to fight them here...").

aside from the "business" of war (Blackwater, Haliburton, ExxonMobil, etc.); war is serious business. watch "The War" on PBS. see how (legit) wars are waged and won.

somewhere between 50-60 million people died (nearly half of them civilians) during WWII. the Allies destoryed entire cities; and the war did not end until we nuked Japan (not once, but twice). Nearly 200,000 (civilians and soldiers) died in the Battle of Okinawa alone.

again, has Bush taken the time to convince America it was in our best interests to wage and win this war, perhaps we could debate benefit/cost of the outcome.

I believe the USMC coined the phrase; "...failure is not an option..." well, like it or not; because of the very essence of this war, "failure" is an option.

I am not some bleeding heart. in fact, I am quite the opposite. if we must wage a war, it must do so with ruthless and amoral conviction. George Bush lacks conviction, and it is his lack of conviction, which has made "failure" an option.

at least that's how I see it from the Sports page...

Chris Renaldo, fellow Communist...
Friday, October 12, 2007 at 10:44 AM


of course, victory would be a wonderful thing; however, writer Eric Von Haessler fails to define victory. Defining "DEFEAT" is as simple as saying leaving is getting defeated, and any simpleton can write that. So, what would victory be? Those of us who've been cynics from the moment of the invasion imagine VICTORY to the Bush regime is nothing more than profit from IRAQI oil.

Is winning the war about winning the profit and sacrificing lives for it? Just askin'

Pat Boggs
Saturday, October 13, 2007 at 7:01 AM


of course, victory would be a wonderful thing; however, writer Eric Von Haessler fails to define victory. Defining "DEFEAT" is as simple as saying leaving is getting defeated, and any simpleton can write that. So, what would victory be? Those of us who've been cynics from the moment of the invasion imagine VICTORY to the Bush regime is nothing more than profit from IRAQI oil.

Is winning the war about winning the profit and sacrificing lives for it? Just askin'

Pat Boggs
Saturday, October 13, 2007 at 7:01 AM


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